Apparently the Bible itself is confusedon this point.
FTFY :-D
Anders Andersen
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JW teaching about the final war of “Gog and Magog” and identity of “North King” may be wrong. Here is an interesting development
by venus ina modern day jewish prophet who correctly predicted the six day war in 1967 and the yom kippur war in 1973 has also predicted north korea would bomb seoul which would culminate in the final war of gog and magog.. .
for details.
http://www.wnd.com/2017/04/mystic-rabbi-predicted-todays-top-threat-22-years-ago/.
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JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here
by pale.emperor inhi guys.
sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.
just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.
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- Did Jehovah's Witnesses (generally speaking) ever fight in or even initiate wars or participate in the killing of men, women and children? [Wait for the predictable answer NO!]
- Would you or any other JW ever fight in any (physical) wars and kill men, women and children? [Wait for the predictable answer NO!]
- Read Isaiah 43:10. According to this verse, who were the original Jehovah's Witnesses?
- Repeat question 1
- Would you ever have fought in any wars if you were a JW 4000 years ago? [Wait for the predictable answer no but yes....but that's not the case and uhm no need to discuss hypotheticals!]
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What have been some of the funniest local needs talks that you have heard?
by DaPriest ini remember once in berlin south germany there was a local needs part for the men only, and how they should use the toilet.
in all seriousness for ten minutes a retarded nigerian was going on about how men need to sit down when using the toilet.
no mention of anything else.. it transpired that some little kraut boy from an "interested" family would aim for the side of the toilet and leave a great big puddle for others to clean up.
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@pale.emperor,
Lol.
TMI TMI TMI!
I guess that's what's cults do to us...
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What is Nature's most perfect food?
by compound complex ingreetings, gourmands of the forum!.
i agree with garfield, but mayo comes in a close second.
slathering my pasta with an inch of best foods real mayonnaise (hellman's, east of the rockies) is close to heaven for me.
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@NJ501,
I used to religiously reject McDonald's. I even turned down free McD food.
Until I went on a trip to Paris with 2 (jw) friends and all we could afford, locate and enjoy for lunch and dinner was McD. Ever since I've been hooked, even when I realize it's actually garbage ;-D
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What is Nature's most perfect food?
by compound complex ingreetings, gourmands of the forum!.
i agree with garfield, but mayo comes in a close second.
slathering my pasta with an inch of best foods real mayonnaise (hellman's, east of the rockies) is close to heaven for me.
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- Chocolate
- Alcohol
- Garlic
- Cheese
- Well....just about anything else too...
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Canadian Court Protects JW Minor
by Lee Elder inhttp://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/jehovahs-witness-blood-transfusion-1.4299992.
clearly the right move by this doctor and court.
unfortunately, the watchtower continues to try and argue that so called "mature minors" (11-17 years old) should be allowed to follow their irrational policy on blood, even if death could result.
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I praise that judge. In some years or decades that girl will realize he saved her life. Or she'll live to be mad at him.
If Jehovah exists and JW are true, the judge (unfortunately) helped the girl to spread The Truth.
If JW are not true, that judge may have saved a life.
In any case the judge was right and the girl won.
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What's Happening in Italy? Bethel Relocating Departments to Bologna?
by Room 215 inaccording to some websites, it appears there's going to be a transferral of several departments out of rome and to imola (bologna) in november, along with the sale of some property in the capital.. are they downsizing?
anyone know what's going on?.
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Anders Andersen
During my first visit to Rome I tried to visit Bethel at Via della Buffalotta*. Couldn't find it. Will never forget that street name though. Neither will my friend Gorby apparently :-)
We did manage to locate the Vatican, but didn't visit their museum as that would violate our conscience. Whatever.
And we chatted up an inactive American exjw (Jesus the world is small innit). I hope he didn't return to the cult because of us.
But otherwise, I have no info on Italy branch...
*) Lol. On first post, autocorrect changed this to Via Sell a Buffalotta....
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What would be most likely...
by The freewheeling inwhat statement to the elders would get you disfelloshipped fastest?
saying.... a) that you don't believe in god anymore.
or saying ... b) that you don't believe that the governing body is god's canal and mouthpiece anymore.. what opinion is most serious in there eyes?
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An atheist is not a threat to JW hive minds. The idea that Jehovah does not exist is preposterous, and cannot be proven. The limited logical reasoning skills and lack of knowledge of fallacies and biases make the average JW (and any other theist) immune to the argument 'there is no compelling reason to believe in gods'.
A (God believing) exJW who doesn't believe the GB anymore most likely has arguments and evidence that strongly support his position. JW might be swayed (but unfortunately not nearly often enough). These people are a threat to the GB themselves, and they need to be eradicated.
In addition, the atheist exjw generally doesn't care what others believe (although they might not like cults like JW much) and thus don't feel the need to preach their position to JW (and get themselves DFed in the process).
The still believing GB-denier is likely convinced that JW are sincere but misguided, and need to be saved from their false religion in other to gain divine salvation. These exjw are more likely to preach to JW (and get themselves DFed in the process).
Anecdotal evidence: I'm a known atheist exjw who hasn't been DFed :-)
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How do the foreign language Congregations find people to call on?
by UnshackleTheChains inok. i had a fascinating conversation with one of my polish colleagues at work.
she knows i'm a jdub and an activist as have filled her in warts and all about watchtower.. she came up to me today explaining how a couple of polish witnesses came to her door.
she was curious as to how they knew to call on her door knowing she was polish.
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The dubs might also just take a phone book and search for family names that are common for the targeted language group (but not for the natives in the country).
And foreign language groups dubs are encouraged to ask any person that speaks the target language for contact info on any others they know that speaks their language.
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some thing i said..?
by zeb inhas anyone had this experience.
that once some contact is made with others here they never write again?
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Yes, I'm one of those people who probably respond once or twice, but let things be as they are as soon as the conversation about the topic at hand is finished. As a matter of fact you and I exchanged some friendly messages about a year ago (I had to look that up though).
It's not malice, it's my way of being. I don't feel a need to expand my circle of friends (mind you: I basically have none...just some left over JW semi-lost friends, and two old jw now exjw friends with whom I must push myself to rebuild the friendship), nor do I (claim to) have the time to.
In fact, I strongly believe being raised as a JW is a root cause for this behaviour. Being raised as a JW you'll have insta-friends wherever you go. You'll never learn to properly start and maintain friendships.
Others here simply move on; some members whom I had pm contact with here appear to be gone from this forum.